Air Date: Week of February 13, 2026

Wind power plants in Xinjiang, China. China is a global leader in renewable energy. (Photo: Chris Lim, Wikimedia Commons, CC BY-SA 2.0)

The ongoing efforts of the Trump Administration to walk back climate policy and clean energy development may be handing over the health of the US economy to our chief economic rival, China. Veteran BBC journalist Isabel Hilton, the founder of Dialogue Earth, joins Host Steve Curwood to discuss how China is outpacing US economic growth by supplying the world with clean technologies.

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CURWOOD: From PRX and the Jennifer and Ted Stanley Studios at the University of Massachusetts Boston, this is Living on Earth. I’m Steve Curwood.

DOERING: And I’m Jenni Doering.

The Trump Administration is moving to have the Environmental Protection Agency revoke its 2009 finding that global warming gases present a hazard to public health.
The so-called “endangerment finding” came after the US Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that states could sue the EPA over potential damages to their territories from climate disruption.

CURWOOD: Carrie Jenks is Executive Director of the Environmental & Energy Law Program at Harvard Law School.

JENKS: The endangerment finding is the science-based determination that greenhouse gasses endanger public health and welfare. It underpins EPA’s greenhouse gas regulations under the Clean Air Act, including the car and truck emissions standards, power plant regulations and limits on oil and gas facilities.

CURWOOD: And for more than 20 years that finding has vexed the fossil fuel industry, the major source of emissions, with constraints that have come close to putting the US coal industry out of business.

DOERING: But President Trump declares climate change is a hoax, despite overwhelming scientific consensus that emissions are pushing us deeper into the climate emergency. So, he is having the EPA take steps to get rid of the endangerment finding and thereby unleash the fossil fuel industry to sell perhaps trillions of dollars’ worth of natural gas, coal and oil.

CURWOOD: But they may not fully cash in, as the move could prove to be performative. Parties such as the twelve states that won the original Supreme court decision could sue to stall this attempt to revoke endangerment. Again, Harvard Law's Carrie Jenks.

JENKS: So we're going to be watching to see how courts respond to it, and how did EPA justify it, and I suspect that there will be legal risks that are quickly identified, and then it's going to be important to have those raised to the courts.

DOERING: So the repeal may not go into effect until Trump is out of office, when voters may well demand a return to federal climate action. This and other efforts of the current White House to walk back climate policy and clean energy development not only pose huge obstacles to addressing the climate emergency, but they may also be handing over the health of the US economy to our chief economic rival, China.

CURWOOD: As the US fully withdrew from the UN climate negotiations in the fall of 2025, China stepped forward with an absolute emissions reduction target of at least 7 % by 2035. And while the US is the world’s largest historic emitter of greenhouse gases, China is the largest present-day emitter.

DOERING: With the US now gone from the negotiating table, China is effectively in charge of the terms of international climate agreements. And since energy drives so much of modern commerce, China is already seizing the moment to develop its economy by supplying the world with the clean technologies of the future, as the US lags behind.

CURWOOD: Analysis by Carbon Brief already shows that in 2025 solar power, electric vehicles and other clean-energy technologies powered more than a third of China’s GDP growth at the same time the US economy had lower growth and higher inflation.
Joining us now to discuss how the US is losing economic and geopolitical power as China races ahead, is veteran BBC journalist Isabel Hilton, the founder of Dialogue Earth, which started as China Dialogue. Isabel, welcome back to Living on Earth!

HILTON: Well, thank you very much Steve, lovely to be with you.

CURWOOD: Now, what is China's political and economic position in the world today, given the US has abandoned the international negotiations and declaring an end of federal support for climate mitigation and adaptation?

HILTON: China's position in terms of climate negotiations, I guess it's stronger than it ever was. China remains a very big emitter, but it's also the world's second largest economy. It's, you know, the largest trading partner of dozens of countries around the world, and it's now the biggest supplier of low carbon goods and everything you need for the energy transition. It has a virtual monopoly position on a lot of those technologies, and it is the biggest installer of clean energy by far in the world. It installed last year, half of all the clean energy installations globally. So it's a real leader, and it remains committed to climate negotiations. There's no climate denial problem in China. There is an issue around responsibility, how fast China is going to move, when it's going to peak, and how fast it will draw down its own emissions but in terms of the process, it's a very big and central player these days.

CURWOOD: So how successful is China now in making its transition to renewables in its economy? I mean, I understand they're still building coal plants there, huh?

HILTON: They are building coal plants, and there are a number of reasons for that. As we came out of the pandemic, there were two successive years in which, for different reasons, there were widespread power cuts in China, just as they were trying to get the economy off the ground. Now, if you're a provincial governor in China, you have targets to meet, you have an economy to grow, and losing power is not helpful, so you essentially want to have your form of energy security. So whilst we've seen a huge growth in electrification in China and a surge in electricity demand which has substantially been met by renewables, we still have the anxiety of what happens if there is a drought and there's no more hydropower? What happens if, for whatever reason, we lose supplies of gas and oil? The thing that China has in super abundance is coal. So it's not helpful for climate. They are very, efficient plants, and they are now saying that they're using them largely for the capacity market, which is slightly unconvincing, but that means that they're not going to have the same old system where they're committed to buy X amount of energy per year from the coal plants, which meant that they got priority access to the grid. What they're now saying about coal plants is that they will prioritize renewable energy, and they'll use the coal plants for backup when they need them. So that's the story. I'm not entirely convinced, but you know, that's the excuse, if you like. The other important thing is that the coal industry is very big in China, so you have a couple of provinces in the north that are almost entirely dependent on coal for their economies. It's quite hard to shut down vested interests that are quite that big. So it will go slowly. Building new coal is not helpful, but we have to recognize that China has politics too.

CURWOOD: So China is a leader now in renewable energy. How did it get there? To what extent did horrible bad air stimulate that move, by the way?

HILTON: Well, bad air was certainly around when the decision was made. But it was quite a moment, and in the first decade of this century, you had China with an economic model that was beginning to fail. It was the catch up, the very rapid growth, the you know, let's go for GDP growth at all costs and that works for a while. You're making a lot of cheap, low added value goods. You’re really not counting your externalities but after a while that runs out of steam. You've used up all your first advantages, and you have to get more efficient. You have to move up the technology chain if you're going to go on growing, otherwise, you get stuck in the middle-income trap. And so China was looking at this, thinking, what are the technologies of the future? At a time when, as you say, there was also terrible air. So pollution was a thing. People were very, very unhappy, there were big demonstrations. But also the Chinese realized that climate change was real and that China was going to be impacted heavily by it. But also, if the world was going to make a transition to clean economies, it was going to need technologies, and China decided to combine industrial ambition, economic ambition and scientific realism, if you like, and invest enormously in every aspect of every technology that was going to be required for renewables. So that was wind energy, solar, carbon capture, nuclear power, there's a fusion program. There's pretty much everything that you can think of that the 21st century is going to need. And China decided that it was going to be the world's dominant purveyor of those goods and technologies, and it bet the economy on those with great success.

CURWOOD: So historically, the West got very rich with fossil fuels. The economy really built up with the fossil fuel economy. So given that history and China's advance in the area of renewable energy, what does this put the United States and China vis a vis each other when it comes to economic growth and competition? I mean, to what extent is China in a position to eat America's lunch now for further development?

HILTON: Well, that's certainly what it looks like because, you know, the United States, no doubt, for its own reasons, because it has big incumbent industries, because it has a lot of relatively cheap fossil fuel and industries want to defend their interests, has been a very stop-start player in climate right from the beginning, actually. I mean, you know, the current administration is probably certainly the worst, but right from the start, the United States has been, you know, not entirely a helpful player. It had its good moments, and it had its not so good moments, like signing up for Kyoto, then not ratifying it and so on. So, you know, it is unfortunate for the world that the United States is such a big emitter. It's unfortunate for the United States, I think that it's turning its back on the future because right now, if you look at all the technologies that China now dominates, and which China because it's a very efficient manufacturer and has secured its supply chains, has managed to lower the cost of those technologies. So now it's actually cheaper to generate renewable electricity than it is to generate any kind of power with fossil fuels, and all the technologies that ride on that, the electric economy, and that includes electric vehicles. It includes, you know, all forms of transport. There will at some point be an electric plane, I guess. All of these things and all the associated technologies, like amazing battery technologies, are now dominated by China. Now both Europe and the United States are not short of innovation, but China has scale. It has an enormous domestic market and it has a planning system which committed the entire economy to go in that direction. And the fact is that it's very hard now to compete with China, and if the United States draws back from all this sector, it's going to be very, very hard to catch up, in my view.

CURWOOD: My guest is Isabel Hilton, veteran journalist and BBC presenter, and founder of Dialogue Earth. We’ll be back in a moment with more on China’s dominance in the clean energy future. Stay tuned to Living on Earth.

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DOERING: It’s Living on Earth, I’m Jenni Doering.

CURWOOD: And I’m Steve Curwood.

We’re back now with Isabel Hilton, veteran BBC journalist and founder of Dialogue Earth. One of the ways China has been asserting itself as the dominant force in the clean energy future is by forging trade partnerships with other nations, including Canada, which recently cut tariffs on Chinese EVs from 100 percent to just 6 percent. Talk to me about that deal, what does it mean both in terms of geopolitics and economics?

HILTON: It's obviously distressing for the Canadian motor industry, and it raises another set of concerns. You know, if you look at the politics of energy these days, we used to talk about energy security in terms of a reliable supply at a reasonable price. So, you know, you secured your oil, wherever you secured it, and when the prices went up, your economy suffered when they went down and so on. So that was energy security. Now, energy security in a renewable age, is a given, because, I mean supply is a given because you install your wind or your solar energy, and you have storage. There is no problem of supply, but what there is a problem of is that all these technologies remain connected. So particularly electric vehicles, remain connected to their manufacturer. You know, they're intelligent machines. And the difficulty with that is that it opens up a whole other set of security concerns when the origins of those technologies are not in a country that you can reliably assume is a friendly country, and that is the case with China. We all have relations with China, but it is in some ways potentially an antagonistic power. Here in Europe we are deeply concerned about the China-Russia relationship because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. So there are all sorts of questions about security, about energy security, which are to do with critical national infrastructure and access to the grid and the collection of data and the capacity to hit a kill switch, which are embodied in things like electric vehicles. So there is a whole parallel conversation going on about how you secure your systems with those technologies, or can you?

CURWOOD: What you're alluding to is the prospect that, say, a Chinese electric vehicle might have a circuit in it that could be activated that shuts it down. And if you had a whole bunch of those vehicles, they might just be stuck the side of the road because somebody doesn't like it, sort of the way that the satellite telephony stuff that Elon Musk has, it's been used in Ukraine, can also be shut down at a moment's notice, that Starlink can just go away. Am I talking about the right set of concerns here?

HILTON: You are. I mean, one is that there's a kill switch. You know, there's very likely to be a kill switch because the manufacturer needs to upgrade the technology. You know, this connection has to be maintained. So, you know, you get software updates over the air, you get firmware updates over the air. So that's kind of a given. There are also, you know, the possibility that a car could be hacked and accessed and made to commit an act of urban terrorism. You know, a driverless car could be used as a terrorist vehicle. There are all sorts of security concerns about these technologies, and they are now being mapped on to industrial concerns. So again, in Germany, you have the question of the German car industry which is central to the economy, not just in terms of the motor industry, but all the surrounding suppliers, or the Mittelstand in Germany, that's a huge part of the economy, and it's in trouble now because of China. So there's that aspect, but the security aspect, in terms of connectivity, is a real problem. If you look at how the Chinese treat, for example a Tesla car in China, all the data has to stay in China, and there are places you're not allowed to drive that car. You're not allowed to drive it near a military base. You're not allowed to drive it around town if a leader like Xi Jinping is visiting. So the Chinese are very well-aware that there are security issues around electric vehicles.

CURWOOD: So by the way, how important are certain minerals that the Chinese seem to have a pretty good hold of when it comes to the renewable energy business? What about these critical minerals and to what extent are US tech industries, as well as other industries, dependent on China for this material?

HILTON: We have abandoned, we the collective West, abandoned the processing, in particular, of critical minerals to China, because it's a very dirty process. And in that time when the China price was what counted, so outsourcing of manufacturing of all kinds, that phase of China's growth and that phase of relations with the West, critical mineral processing was also left to China. And China has been de-risking its relations with the rest of the world since 2015 and part of the strategy of de-risking was to secure supply chains. So it made a concerted effort to source critical minerals all over the world, particularly in Congo or in Chile, in the lithium triangle in Latin America. It has some at home though it's looking speculatively at Afghanistan security issues, but still. But it's not just the mining, it is particularly the processing that China virtually monopolizes, and that is going to take some time for Europe or the United States to substitute, because we have left the technology to the Chinese. They've got very good at it. And we would be starting from scratch. Other countries would be starting from scratch. So although sourcing of these minerals is not a major problem, rendering them useful is, and they are absolutely essential. They're essential to batteries. They are essential to the defense industry, even if you know, the United States is turning its back on renewables, at least at the official level, it has a defense industry. So yes, every vehicle, everything you drive, everything you fly, you know, uses these critical minerals. So it's a very, very big and potentially powerful monopoly that China has at the moment.

CURWOOD: And that those minerals were also actually in the iPhones or the smartphones that we're using to talk with each other, yes?

HILTON: They're in everything. Your house is full of them. Your pocket has quite a few. [LAUGH] So yes, I mean, they are, in a way, they're as essential to the contemporary economy, to the digital world as oil was to or coal was to the old industrial world. These are the new, you know, you can't do without them.

CURWOOD: So my iPhone speaks Mandarin, apparently, huh?

HILTON: Apparently it does, yes. And the Chinese have passed new rules on the export, they have facilitated export controls on critical minerals, and that includes recycling technologies as well. So they are very determined to keep a hold of it. And this is a weapon that can be deployed at any point. At the moment, we have a one-year suspension in the full deployment of these controls, but you know, that could change any minute.

CURWOOD: Let's talk a bit about the geopolitics here and the climate. I mean, to what extent is progress on the climate a political, ideological warfare matter between the US and China?

HILTON: I think that it's very hard to understand why the US administration has taken the turn that it did. It's quite clear that the Chinese decided to build their capacity in renewable technologies, and they did it with great success. The benefits to the world are that they have lowered the price of all these technologies to the point that the price barrier has virtually gone, and that means that countries that have yet to build their energy systems don't have to go through the high emitting fossil fuel stage. They can go straight to renewables. Now, if you're in the oil business, that's a threat. If you're in the coal business, that's a threat. I don't think that political pressure from the United States to keep the oil and the coal business going is going to be very successful, because in the end, business is business, and the administration's efforts to stimulate the domestic coal business in the US didn't work first time around, and I very much doubt they'll work this time around, because those days are kind of over. So there is a geopolitical confrontation which touches every aspect of the relationship, including very fundamentally, the economic relationship. In geopolitical and if you like ideological terms, I think it's greatly to China's benefit to be seen as a responsible climate player. And 20 years ago, China was pointed out as the big, you know, bad boy of climate, because it was a very high emitter. It is still a very high emitter. It still needs to get its emissions down, but reputationally, it's not nearly as bad as it was 20 years ago. Reputationally, it has quite a few cards to play, including its phenomenal installation of renewable energy at home and its supply of cheap and reliable technologies abroad.

CURWOOD: Veteran journalist Isabel Hilton is the founder and former CEO of Dialogue Earth. Thanks so much for taking the time with us today.

HILTON: Steve, it's an absolute pleasure. Thank you for having me.

 

Links

Learn more about Isabel Hilton, former CEO Dialogue Earth

Read Inside Climate News' "Planet China" series

Dialogue Earth | “The Belt and Road Boomed in 2025”

Council on Foreign Relations | “What Canadian and Mexican EV Imports From China Mean for the United States”

Carbon Brief | “China Briefing 5 February 2026: Clean Energy’s Share of Economy | Record Renewables | Thawing Relations With UK”

Union of Concerned Scientists | “What Does the New Partnership Between Canada and China Tell Us about Future Chinese Foreign Policy?”